Why Obama's Flip-Flops Matter...

...and McCain's Really Don't

The following is a guest post from Dan McLaughlin, who writes at RedState.com and The Baseball Crank.

-JE

By DAN McLAUGHLIN
August 7, 2008

Obama to the left

If you looked at Barack Obama's record, public statements and campaign platform as of any time before June 3, 2008 (the last day of the Democratic primaries), you could detect a trend: on issue after issue after issue, there was a conservative position, a moderate position, a liberal position...and then there was an Obama position.

Other liberals opposed the Iraq War; Obama called for complete withdrawal by March 2008. Other liberals opposed confrontation with Iran; Obama pledged to meet its leader unconditionally. Other liberals supported abortion on demand or even partial-birth abortion; Obama went beyond that to oppose any legal protection for a child born alive after a failed abortion. Other liberals supported amnesty to give illegal immigrants citizenship and "bring them out of the shadows"; Obama championed giving drivers licenses to illegal aliens even as they continued to live outside the law. Other liberals were concerned about surveillance outside of the FISA framework; Obama pledged to filibuster even a bill that brought surveillance into that framework unless it allowed civil lawsuits against phone companies that had complied with prior government requests. Other liberals voted against Justice Alito; Obama voted against Chief Justice Roberts, too, and for that matter voted to filibuster to prevent a vote on Alito. Other liberals courted liberal interest groups; Obama sought the nomination of a Marxist third party. Other liberals championed a "nuclear freeze" during the arms race of the early 1980s; Obama called for eliminating nuclear weapons and "slow[ing] our development of future combat systems" during a period of American nuclear and military predominance.

On issue after issue after issue - taxes, guns, energy, you name it - Obama not only stood outside the national political mainstream, but on the far left edge even of his own party, which is how he earned the National Journal's "most liberal Senator" rating for 2007 despite the presence of a self-described Socialist in his caucus.

Indeed, he was the candidate who promised Democrats that he would eschew Clintonian triangulation to lead "not by polls, but by principle; not by calculation, but by conviction" - to run as the same arch-liberal he has been throughout his (admittedly brief) political career. Republicans, having enjoyed great success in presidential contests against openly liberal candidates between 1968 and 1988, salivated at the prospect.

Obama to the right

Once he won the Democratic nomination, though, Obama started moving so quickly to re-brand himself as a 'centrist' that you'd be forgiven getting whiplash watching him move. Suddenly, he was siding with the Supreme Court's conservatives supporting the death penalty for child rapists and opposing the DC gun ban, and opposing an abortion bill he himself co-sponsors. Suddenly, he didn't think it worth drawing a "line[] that cannot be crossed" on FISA. Suddenly, he was fudging on Iraq, muddying the waters on his position and newly willing to meet with our commander on the ground. And now, under fire from John McCain and the GOP, he's been sending signals, however tepid, about buckling on his opposition to domestic oil drilling. (Other examples of Obama's shifts here (trade), here (affirmative action), here (campaign finance pledge), and here (faith-based initiatives, Israel, education and Social Security taxes), and here (oil reserves).) His own supporters have ranged from bewildered to in denial to enraged to laying out lists of things he must not concede (H/T). Meanwhile, in some cases the McCain camp is simply refusing to accept that Obama has abandoned his former position, preferring to run against the less ambiguous left-winger.

Should Obama's sudden and jarring shifts on such a broad menu of issues in the span of two months concern voters about what kind of man this is, and what he really believes in and stands for? Should he face the same sort of skepticism about his principles that eventually overwhelmed Mitt Romney's presidential campaign? I say yes, and for essentially the same reasons.

I. The Mystery of Political Conviction

Here's the thing: it can be frustratingly difficult to figure out what a politician, any politician, really believes on a given issue. It's easy enough to say you are for a particular position, if it happens to be popular with your constituents or your party at a particular moment in time. For this reason, almost any significant political figure generates a cottage industry of pundits and would-be biographers trying to explain what it is he or she really believes. And to some extent, that ambiguity can be an asset, allowing supporters to project on the leader their own thought processes, and assume that the leader, when he disagrees, will come around in time to their way of thinking. But it can also present risks: voters who have been burned many times before may simply not believe a candidate's words. They will say, instead: show me. Prove it.

A. Why We Care if They Keep Their Word

As I have argued before in contrasting Howard Dean to the allergic-to-principled-stands John Kerry, politicians can win over voters by taking and holding principled positions over a period of time - and they can make that approach work for them whether they actually believe in those positions or not, so long as they show the voters that they mean what they say and carry it through:

[W]hat matters more than anything is not a politician's fealty to his own internal principles but his ability to take a principled position and stick to it, whether he believes in it or not. Regardless of [their] sincerity, Howard Dean's positions on Iraq and on the Bush tax cuts were principled positions: he made sure everyone knew precisely where he stood, he made all the arguments for those positions as forcefully as he could, and he left himself no wiggle room to back away if those positions were rejected by the voters or if (as happened with the capture of Saddam) his principled position was discredited by subsequent events. What we look for in leaders, especially presidents, is that ability: the willingness to say, "here I stand," let the voters judge the merits of that stand, and keep faith with your promises, even when the going gets rough.

That said, as I wrote back in my series on Romney, politicians can usually get away with some flip-flopping as long as they recognize its limitations:

[A]ll politicians flip-flop, hedge and straddle from time to time. Indeed, in a representative democracy, this is arguably a good thing. Let's consider an obvious point: what if a candidate for public office is exceptionally well-qualified for the job and has positions you agree with on a number of important matters, but disagrees on a point that is relatively small, yet important to you personally? Would you rather the politician change his position? Is that better than rejecting a good candidate over one minor issue, or alternatively electing someone who takes a stance that troubles you? For most of us, if we are honest, the answer is yes; we want to be represented by people who will do what we want them to do. Voters like flip-flops; they reward flip-flops, especially when a candidate is moving from a local to statewide, or statewide to national electorates....

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Put simply: flip-flops buy votes, but do so at an escalating cost to a politician's credibility. First, they erode a candidate's reputation as a leader; then, in time, they come to cast doubt even on the candidate's announced positions, creating fear that he will hold them only until a better offer comes along. Voters may not mind if you sold somebody else out to get their vote, but they will not vote for you if they expect you to sell them out as soon as he comes under fire. ...

Thus, while voters are tolerant of some flip-flops, the first problem with flip-flopping is that it creates doubt in the voters about a candidate's current promises because it undermines the sense that the voter can rely on what the candidate says today as a guide to what he will do tomorrow. As I discussed in the Romney and Kerry examples, this is a particular concern if the candidate can't identify a set of "core" issues that justify trimming around the margins, but it's also a problem if the flip-flops come too fast and furious in too short a time period and without a plausible justification beyond mere political expediency.

B. Why We Care If They Are Men of Conviction

The larger hazard of flip-flopping for some presidential candidates, though, goes beyond just issues of truth-in-advertising with regard to their policy proposals. A very large part of the president's job - arguably the most important part - is the president's ability to deal with unforeseen crises and challenges, especially in his role as Commander-in-Chief. Presidents must be ready for the full spectrum of crises a nation can face - wars and terrorist attacks, hostage taking and blackmail, man-made and natural disasters, epidemics and financial crises. There is no way to predict with certainty how any man or woman will bear up under these stresses, but voters traditionally look to a candidate's record and biography for clues as to what they are made of. There are many personality traits we look for, but among the most important are constancy (the ability to stay the same under stress and over time), persistence, determination, resiliency, commitment...and a candidate whose positions seem to change with the wind, who panics at the slightest squall, will give voters good reason to believe that he will lack those virtues when faced with sterner forms of adversity. It's the question that comes to mind again and again over the course of a presidential campaign, and which makes it fundamentally different from a legislative race: what are you made of?

II. Barack Obama and His Principles

A. The Words Are The Last To Go

Obama could go either waySo, in demonstrating to voters that he means what he says on the issues, and that he possesses the necessary character traits to be a strong and dependable Commander-in-Chief, what does Obama have to run on? As I have detailed before at length, Obama is almost totally lacking in the kinds of experience we look for in presidents - no executive experience, no national security/foreign policy experience, no military service record, no private sector business experience, and his political experience is limited to a single unfinished Senate term (which he essentially won by default) and 8 years representing a tiny, insular, idiosyncratic one-party state Senate district, mainly as a backbench member of the minority party. He simply hasn't been road tested at all. Even his record as a State Senator is shockingly sparse, as he apparently destroyed his office's records from those years, and few of his public statements are available (his life before entering politics in 1996 is similarly riddled with gaps and silences as to which we have little but Obama's own memoirs to go on).

Obama's partisans have spoken of his "judgment" as a substitute for experience. Of course, voters may have a harder time identifying examples of that judgment on so slim a record. It's not his judgment in choosing his close friends and political associates - he bought his family's home with the financial aid of a man now convicted of felony political corruption, he chose his faith, baptized his daughters and chose the name of his book under the tutelage of a man who preached racial resentment and peddled vicious conspiracy theories; he launched his political career with a fundraiser at the home of unrepentant terrorists. Nor is it his judgment in choosing his subordinates, as we've had almost too many examples to count of Obama sacking or distancing himself from aides over a variety of transgressions. Nor can it be his judgment on those very few occasions when he's committed himself on national security issues, not after he staked his credibility on a policy diametrically opposed to the successful "surge" in Iraq, a blunder so egregious Obama has since scrubbed his website of evidence of his prior position.

In other words, Obama has nothing of substance to run on but his principles. Voters will judge him - have no choice but to judge him - by what he says he stands for. Every claim Obama can plausibly make for himself comes down to this: he says good things, and will do what he says. Indeed, the entire advantage that less-experienced candidates have in any race is less baggage - fewer shifts and changes over time. But Obama's battery of flip-flops is undermining even this one, last remaining justification for seeing him as a man anybody can depend on in the White House. Obama and his partisans contend that he doesn't need the kind of experience every other president has brought to the White House, doesn't need the base of knowledge amassed by guys like McCain who have been doing this sort of thing for decades, because he already knows better. But how can he keep up the pretense of knowing better if he is still thinking things through? If Obama does not have the courage of his convictions after all, what then remains of the argument that he is ready for the job?

B. Where Does The Flop Land Him?

Obama could go both ways

So, if Obama is undermining the central surviving rationale of his candidacy, what is he really doing by flip-flopping? Is he simply a leap in the dark for liberals, as Richard Cohen argues? (H/T) Suckering either the left, the middle, or both, as Iowahawk brilliantly illustrated? An unusually smooth liar running his campaign like a graduate seminar, as blackhedd suggests? A man without a core, as Kevin Holtsberry contends? Or, as Jim Geraghty thinks, a man with out a home?

Certainly some of the "flip-flops" are really fudges, examples of Obama just using hedged language to obscure the policy differences between his position and the Republican position. And on the social issues, my own view is that Obama is basically running a cynical game of three-card monte on the electorate - he knows full well that, for example, he can say he supports the death penalty for child rapists because he intends to appoint federal judges who will make it impossible for the people's representatives to actually carry out such sentences. Thus, Obama gets to fool people who think he's not a hard-left-winger, and he can't be directly called on it for years down the road.

But in most cases, it's just impossible to tell who the suckers are or whether Obama is serially pandering or just can't make up his mind on issues he hasn't properly thought through. You may have your own theories, but what your theory and my theory have in common is that neither of them has any evidence to support them. We simply have nothing to give anyone real confidence of how Obama will handle adversity or crisis in the White House; just "hope" that he will do a good job.

III. John McCain: Principled Leader Abroad, Pragmatic Moderate at Home

McCain greets Kuwait's ambassador in 1991

Some readers, at this juncture, will wonder: what about McCain? Hasn't he changed his positions at times over the years on a host of issues? Does anybody really think McCain is a man of unshakeable political principle?

There's really two answers to that, and together they explain why the flip-flop charge just isn't a big deal in McCain's case.

A. Duty, Honor, Country

Vets for McCain

The first goes to the question of flip-flops as a proxy for the character traits we look for in a Commander-in-Chief. In McCain's case, he has both a biography and a record we can examine - and they both point in the same direction. McCain has been a rock of stability for many years in his dedication to U.S. national security and his philosophy of how to protect it. It is the central cause to which he has dedicated his life and his political career.

McCain after VietnamYou know, of course, the story of McCain's quarter century in the Navy and his time in a North Vietnamese prison; while that's not in and of itself enough to qualify a man for the nation's highest office, Uncle Jimbo at Blackfive reminds us what his sustained refusal over a period of years to accept early release from the POW camp in Hanoi should tell us about his character:

You would think it would be simple, but I forget that the concepts of Duty, Honor & Country are dirty words to the left/press. None who have served, well none with more than 4 months in the motor pool, wonder what John McCain proved to us. We know that a man who would refuse to be released ahead of others and allow the enemy a propaganda victory definitely understands and stays true to those three pillars....

Let's compare the two:

John McCain was so loyal to the men he was imprisoned with he endured torture on their behalf.

Barack Obama associates with those who can help his career, and throws them right under the bus when they become inconvenient to his aspirations.

That single issue of character matters more than all the others combined. You can trust John McCain. You can trust Barack Obama to use you as a stepping stone.

Richard Cohen ties that together with McCain's long career in politics:

McCain is a known commodity. It's not just that he's been around a long time and staked out positions antithetical to those of his Republican base. It's also -- and more important -- that we know his bottom line. As his North Vietnamese captors found out, there is only so far he will go, and then his pride or his sense of honor takes over. This -- not just his candor and nonstop verbosity on the Straight Talk Express -- is what commends him to so many journalists.

Obama might have a similar bottom line, core principles for which, in some sense, he is willing to die. If so, we don't know what they are. Nothing so far in his life approaches McCain's decision to refuse repatriation as a POW so as to deny his jailors a propaganda coup. In fact, there is scant evidence the Illinois senator takes positions that challenge his base or otherwise threaten him politically. That's why his reversal on campaign financing and his transparently false justification of it matter more than similar acts by McCain.

What you see when you review McCain's record over the quarter century he's been on the Senate Armed Services Committee is that he has stood up and stood in on national security - he's been a leader and been willing to take the heat that comes with that, most recently with his staunch advocacy of the Iraq War and the "surge" even when the war was terribly unpopular and being given up in many quarters as lost. And he hasn't changed his tune on national security based on the partisan composition of the White House or Congress.

For example, in the case of both Bill Clinton's prosecution of war in Kosovo in 1999 and George W. Bush's terrorist surveillance program, McCain supported the president's policy goals but also urged him to go to Congress for support.

He's traveled the globe, spoken at scores of overseas conferences, and worked on a bipartisan basis with John Kerry and the Clinton Administration in normalizing relations with Vietnam.

He's been part of pretty much every major foreign policy and military policy debate since the 80s, and his views on issues of American national interest and national security are extremely well-known not only here at home but around the globe. Nothing he does in the arena of domestic politics changes any of that.

B. The Moderate Pragmatist

McCain goes nuclearI'm a great believer in the importance of conservative principles, and my preference would be to run a presidential candidate who has an established record of standing foursquare for those principles. But that's not the McCain record, and more importantly it's not how McCain has marketed himself to the public over the years. Yes, on some issues, notably issues like free trade and immigration that have an internationalist/foreign policy component, McCain has been not just consistent but courageous (even foolhardy) over the course of his career. But while he professes faith in conservative principles at a general level - lower taxes, less spending, less regulation - one need not look too far for examples of him departing from those principles in practice in specific cases. McCain's self-proclaimed "maverick" status derives from that record.

Basically, McCain over the years has presented himself to the public not as an ideas guy but as a moderate pragmatist, one who goes here and there sometimes without a ton of predictability or philosophical consistency. And there's a goodly chunk of both the public and the press that likes moderation, pragmatism, willingness to change positions to follow the public mood. For voters who prefer that kind of leader, the fact that McCain is willing to change his spots from time to time on economic and regulatory issues and some social issues is a feature, not a bug; it's precisely why they like the guy. Energy policy - where McCain jumped ahead of Obama by jettisoning McCain's own prior opposition to offshore drilling - is a classic example of an issue where the public seems to actually prefer someone who won't let prior stances get in the way of rethinking the right approach in the future.

At the end of the day, as I discussed above, John McCain can get away with this approach on domestic-policy issues because nobody doubts that the test of McCain's leadership in foreign affairs or in times of crisis is his very lengthy record in those areas, regardless of the more mundane business of domestic government. Unlike Obama, McCain has earned that credibility, because unlike Obama, McCain has more to back up his words than the words themselves.

III. Conclusion

John McCain has the strength and determination to be the Commander in Chief, in good times and bad; by long years of trial we have seen what he is made of, what he stands for, and when he is and isn't willing to change his position. His "maverick" nature may make it impossible to be 100% certain where he'll come out in particular domestic-policy debates, but on the whole, any reasonably astute observer of the political scene knows what we are getting with McCain.

None of that can be said with any confidence about Obama. He's a dot-com stock, a subprime loan, an email enticing you to help him transfer money if you send some now - no track record, no established management, no earnings, no visible means of support, just a lot of promises that keep changing every time you ask. He will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today. Obama has staked his entire campaign on the value of "just words," and now even the words are changing. His appeal may prove durable to the young, seeing everything for the first time. But at the end of the day, how can we know what this man is made of? We can only hope. How can we know what he stands for? We can only hope. What can we do if we wake up early next year and discover he's not what we hoped for? We can only pray.

Author: mccain supporter (not verified)
Thu, 08/07/2008 - 10:19am

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Author: Kathleen Lydecker (not verified)
Thu, 08/14/2008 - 6:57am

I wouldn't vote for Barak Obama in a million years, he certainly doesn't have my best interests at heart, and John McCain has already shown what kind of true American he is. I have heard about so called "Change" in the past from one Bill Clinton, and am convinced all one has to do to get elected is use that word over and over, without ever saying what it means. In Bill's case it meant a bunch of scandal and impeachment in the white house. So I'm not much for that word. John McCain is a hero, and he will help our military, and lead us to a better day. He has my vote, I am not an Obama "groupie".

Author: Anonymous (not verified)
Thu, 08/07/2008 - 4:54pm

I thought this was a well thought out article. However, there are some important concepts that need to be discussed in this.

- Flip Flops: The most important thing that has saved Obama is that he clearly and rationally explains why his position has changed. That above everything should be what matters to voters. This indicates a level of respect that is a rarity in politics. When Mccain changes course, he does not explain how or why he changed, in fact he does not even acknowledge the change.

- Mccain's past and present: Nobody can argue that Mccain has done many great things in his life. However, there is a very fair argument that can be made that he reached his pinnacle 4 or 8 years ago and is in the decline of his career. He can not put sentences together in a coherent fashion, cannot remember his own voting record on important topics, and cannot give candid answers that do not match his few talking points.

Nobody expects politicians to hold to what they say in election process once they reach office. You hope they do, but you cannot really expect it to hold true. The one thing that steers me to any candidate is a person who can speak intelligently, respects the voters, and can inspire friends and enemies alike. While John Mccain's history inspires, the Mccain of today does not. While Mccain is stable an consistent, I would rather have a slightly risky president than a consistently poor candidate.

I wish the republican party had picked a more reasonable match to go against Obama. They picked Hillary's opponent instead.

Author: Anonymous (not verified)
Thu, 08/07/2008 - 4:57pm

I have no choice, McCain gets my vote. Lets pray we can keep him under control. God Bless America

Author: Woody (not verified)
Thu, 08/07/2008 - 6:39pm

Personally I don't care if McCain doesn't know how to get on the internet or doesn't know there is no Czechoslovakia or that there is no Iraq-Pakistan border or that Iran isn't harboring Al Qaede terrorists or that offshore drilling won't give us any perceptible benefits or that his tax plan benefits the rich and not the poor or that he doesn't mind if we stay in Iraq for 100 years. All that stuff is for the "lie-beral" elite to quibble about. The fact is, no red-blooded American is going to stand for a Muslim in the White House.

Author: Anonymous (not verified)
Thu, 08/07/2008 - 7:26pm

Somebody help me to understand (other than the blind leading the blind) why regardless of the facts do others follow blindly that which they see.

Has anyone ever noticed that Mr. McCain can't think from his head or on his feet. During his speeches he constantly read from notes and is lost if he stay away to long from his notes.

On top of this its like listening to "babel" if you ever listen to him speak of the cuff, he's constantly confused and appears to be out of touch w/reality. That's right all you who don't know the history of Bosnia, or Iraq...the man is a confused soul and if you just let him talk w/o notes you'll see how blind you all are.

Yet, due to some sick and extreme blindness many follow him. Have you ever wondered who this lost man is really following because Mr. McCain is really a loss man mentally (worst than Dan Quail or absentminded Bush).

Blind leading the Blind and where do you expect to take this country this round?????

Author: Anonymous (not verified)
Thu, 08/07/2008 - 10:32pm

This is from a cousin in Louisiana,

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This is the 3rd letter I have gotten this week from people who have sons over there and now this one from one who is there himself. This makes me very sad -- I would hope all of us, including (especially) candidates, are so very thankful for those who are putting themselves in harms way.

----- Original Message -----
FYI
Tiffany and Jeff Porter are our friends who live in Virginia.
(Below is from Tiffany)

I don't know each of your personal political convictions, and apologize if anyone finds this offensive. I thought it was important enough to share. This is Jeff's first hand view of Senator Obama.
Tiffany

Hello everyone,
As you know I am not a very political person. I just wanted to pass along that Senator Obama came to Bagram Afghanistan for about an hour on his visit to 'The War Zone'. I wanted to share with you what happened. He got off the plane and got into a bullet proof vehicle, got to the area to meet with the Major General (2 Star) who is the commander here at Bagram.

As the Soldiers where lined up to shake his hand, he blew them off and didn't say a word as he went into the conference room to meet the General. As he finished, the vehicles took him to the ClamShell (pretty much a big top tent that military personnel can play basketball or work out in with weights) so he could take his publicity pictures playing basketball. He again shunned the opportunity to talk to Soldiers to thank them for their service.

So really he was just here to make a showing for the Americans back home that he is their candidate for President. I think that if you are going to make an effort to come all the way over here, you would thank those that are providing the freedom that they are providing for you.
I swear we got more thanks from the NBA Basketball Players or the Dallas Cowboy Cheer leaders than from one of the Senators, who wants to be the President of the United States. I just don't understand how anyone would want him to be our Commander-in-Chief. It was almost that he was scared to be around those that provide the freedom for him and our great country.

If this is blunt and to the point, I am sorry, but I wanted you all to know what caliber person he really is. What you see in the news is all fake.

In service,
CPT Jeffrey S. Porter
Battle Captain TF Wasatch
American Soldier

Author: peterclarke (not verified)
Fri, 08/08/2008 - 6:54am

The Democrats prior Slogan was ACTION, which turned into a year of STEROIDAL INACTION……..
Their new slogan is CHANGE to Socialism (Democrats) from Capitalism (Republicans) under the Junior Senator Barack Mohammad Obama……

Author: Capt Howard (not verified)
Fri, 08/08/2008 - 7:21am

"Change we can beleive in." That change must have something to do with Obama's positions on the issues. He reminds me of Bill Clinton pandering to whatever crowd he speaks to and no true platform. It is what I classify as true deception.

Some day the American people, and the voters, will find the guts to demand more from the candidates and the media in getting a true picture of what is running for elected office. Until that time comes we are stuck in the quicksand of politics as usual.

If any of you get a chance, check out www.modernwhig.org. You might be pleasantly surprised to see that a third choice is starting to hatch in the world of politics.

Author: Anonymous (not verified)
Fri, 08/08/2008 - 12:47pm

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This came from John McCain's web site so I know it is true!

http://www.johnmccain.com/ActionCenter/BlogInteract/BlogInteract.aspx

Author: Rich (not verified)
Fri, 08/08/2008 - 2:57pm

It's been a few weeks since I wrote, but I had some more thoughts for the campaign. Mexico is a problem for Republicans, but with the right ideas Mexico could change the Republican party. From what I've seen the people of Mexico are very hard workers, at least the ones who come to America to improve their lives. Generally they leave their families and come across the border to make a decent wage (in Mexican terms) and they send it all back home to their families. I feel that if Mexicans could make the same wages in Mexico they would never leave.

America has not built an oil refinery in over 30 years. Why couldn't this great country of ours work with our neighbors to the south and build at least 4 or 5 refineries with the product pointed north. Treating our neighbors like partners and not peasants or petty dictators sure would be refreshing. Imagine the jobs, from the lowest level to the EEs and PEs necessary to build and operate an operation of this scale. The benefit to the Western hemisphere would be immense, increase the standard of living for Mexicans, immigration could cease to be an issue in America, the spinoff industries, decentralize the population out of Mexico City, it's endless.

These refineries would be under joint American- Mexican Control for lets say 20 years and at that time the benefit to America probably will have been worth it's while. I know this could be sold easily to Americans and if they (the refineries) are built as environmentally safe as is possible today the government of mExico would surely respond favorably. Just a thought.

Author: Art (not verified)
Fri, 08/08/2008 - 4:35pm

John McCain has a comprehensive economic plan that will create millions of good American jobs, ensure our nation's energy security, get the government's budget and spending practices in order, and bring relief to American consumers.

Author: josh bernstein (not verified)
Fri, 08/08/2008 - 4:41pm

A picture of Obama looking very presidential in a nice suit. Tons of adoring, screaming supporters screaming in the background. All of a sudden, all the noise and screaming stops and we freeze frame the shot of him and the crowd. Then Obama is computer generated and turned completely around with his back to the crowd exposing an empty shell of a person, almost like he is a "cut out" of a real person. Then he is turned around again facing the crowd and all the sound and screams resume, then slowly get softer and softer till the screen fades to black.

ANNOUNCER VOICE comes on and says, "GREAT SPEAKER, EMPTY WORDS"

If this doesnt expose him as an empty suit to the main street american people, nothing will...

PLEASE! IF you are involved or "know the right people" in the advertising dept of the McCain campaign, please foward this idea to the right person. If you would like to hear more of my ideas email me back. Thank You, and G@d Bless America...

Author: Pamela Proietti (not verified)
Sat, 08/09/2008 - 3:42pm

I have taught political philosophy for many years. The American Founders, like the Greeks before them, believed that human beings act on the basis of their self-interest as they perceive it. John McCain has a history of understanding his self-interest to lie in the personal honor and the happiness of serving his country. He is an aging old warrier who can be trusted to do his best to serve his countrymen and to die having achieved the glory and honor worthy of a man who has lived a life of public service. He is already seeing the presidency in these terms. Obama is a very young man--still in his middle forties. He has not had the maturing experiences of war and of facing one's own death that would guarantee a deeper understanding of self-interest and public service. Who can be trusted to make a difficult and unpopular choice when the time comes? We are living in a time when the West is a war in Iraq and Afghanistan and difficult decisions must be made by our Commander-in-Chief. Obama is no time-tested former warrior and old man; he is neither a Colin Powell nor a John McCain. Put our nation's future in the hands of a trustworthy and wise old warrior. Vote for John McCain this November!

Author: David J (not verified)
Mon, 08/11/2008 - 9:18am

If I/we have a congress that are being lead by a Democrat to their peak performance with a 13% approval rating why would anyone want a Democrat for a president to further lead us into the depth of mediocrity?

Author: Jan (not verified)
Mon, 08/11/2008 - 5:15pm

I do wish we would get a really strong voice in the GOP that could stand with McCain. But short of that I will work and vote for John McCain because, in truth, Obama scares me. I can not think of a candidate that is so pro goverment and so anti business. I teach business classes and he violates every basic economic rule.

I am scared he will go green and raise taxes to the point that I will not be able to ever retire. I don't know what has happened to the US but we have to stop the nanny state and Obama wants to expand it.

As far as my retirement, if he increases the tax on capital gaines, then what I have in various IRAs will be depleted and because it is impossible to live on Social Security, I will be trapped. Please everyone read what the Obama stands for and then vote for McCain.

Author: dixiecrystals (not verified)
Thu, 08/21/2008 - 6:14pm

This is my daughter's description of Obama. He changes to match his surroundings, whoever he is around he changes to suit their convictions and get their votes.

I do not usually write on blogs because I tend to be conservative in my beliefs. I have observed many blogs with the liberals and they seem to be piranha's in a feeding frenzy whenever a conservative posts their convictions. I can well imagine that is why the liberal voiice is the loudess and most prevalent many times. I have seen a poor guy ripped to shreds by voicing his opinion.

From the beginning, I chose to save my opinions about Obama until I found out the truth about him. If there was a chance that he is voted as our President, I didn't want to be afraid or feel that he would do to much damage to our nation as President.

To begin with his "change" motto didn't do that much for me. Being a conservative, I am not open to a lot of change.I wanted to know what changes he would make. If there is to be a change, I want it to be one that I can believe in. But I have to know what it is before I can believe in anything From what I have found out what he believes in will bring about a change from bad to worse, much worse.

About the abortion issue that came to light during the questions recently by the writer who set up the interviews, this was not first time to hear about this. I must have been the only one watching tv when that question was brought up specifically to Obama. He said that he would not sign any legislation that might do anything to interfere with the women's right to choose. That was a definitive answer.

I heard one of the commentators with some qustions. It may be Hannity. He wanted to ask Obama how as a Christian he could take this particular stand even if it left a baby to die in the hospital sink. This story is not something made up. A nurse testifiend on the whitehouse floor about what had happened.

As far as the economy, you heard about what was said about Walmart and Obama. Well, Obama has formed a bill that will be put into law if he elected changing rules about employee, employers and unions. People even in small business could form a union.

I know unions can cause problems. I visited Texas last Christmas and there ware Walmarts and some other big grocery store. I asked my son where were the IGA's and little grocery stores, Bilo's, Krogers, whatever. He said that a big store came in and demanded unions and for the other stores to form unions. He said all the stores picked up and left.

I know that the lobbyists for corn ethanol have Obama in the bag. There is nothing wrong with having alternative fuels, but there are alternatives more effective than corn. Corn takes a lot of fertilizer and dieael to plant and irrigation to grow effectively. What effect will all that irrigation have on the ground water of the drought stricken areas. If it has to be irrigated, then it must not be raining,huh? There is switchgrass, I know of and other plants that can be used. What about our landfills, can those mounds of trash be turned into a fuel with scientific research?

What is so bad about the corn being used as fuel is that it is a food. For humans, for animals, for chickens, and cows, and pigs, etc. The prices have gotten so high for feeding animals that most have sold the animals and quit raising them.

And the ten who are trying, supposedly to get a plan, need and economist or businessman to get up there and help them.I think that offshore drilling should be done and we should make it easier, not harder to get the companies to drill.

I recently saw an old eppasode of "Dallas". JR was wanted to do offshore drilling and the other oilman was telling him, if you get the supply up, the price will go down.:
That is what we want, for the price to go down.

We are so worried that somebody might make some money and it is not us that we would cut off our nose to spite our face. Tell me, if it were not to my benefit, why would I put myself out there to drill for oil, when I made my product go down and then I would have to pay higher taxes on it. I think we ought to make it "easier" to drill. I am talking about giving extra incentives to drill than to give disincentives to do so.

i know McCain is for the offshore drilling and though he didn't want it in Anwar, he finally became more open to the idea. Technology today can drill for oil in a safe manner. But McCain does not want to put all his eggs in one basket, like the democrats seem to want everyone to think. He wants all the methods to be pursued for our natin to become energy independent.He wants us to do more that pull up our sleeves and do without while the rest of the world progresses. I think I myself have taken less triips, serviced my vehicle, got a car with better gas mileage. I wish I could afford one of those hybrids, but that is out of the question. I am sure that is true of most of the other citizens of this United States.

And the race thing. I heard six speakers talking about how some people would not vote for Obama because of his race. I can tell you this, if he were the right man for the job,I would vote for him no matter what color he is. I think those who vote for him because he is black are the racist

He has no expericnce. He had it on the tiip of his tongue when he was talking about the supreme coart judge that he would not pick him because he was not exp. "strong"he changed it to.

He does not know what to do in a crise. It took him three speechs before he could get it right about the Georgia/Russia situation. I tend to think maybe his speech writers had to figure out the right answer for him?

It seems he is a poor judge of character, his pastor, the pastor who was his friend who took Wrights place, his terrorissts friend

I do not see how any one in good conscience could vote for Obama.

U have more to say but later....

Let the feeding frenzy begin. ...

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